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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 3:21 am    Post subject: Jhalp what's your position on Brees vs Romo now? Reply with quote

We all know how you felt about Brees vs Romo 2 years ago when you started a thread back in 07 dissing Brees because of one bad game. Everyone on the board is well aware of how you live in the moment waffling back and forth depending on our current situation. Here's a comment you made the final month of the season after the Cowboys beat the Saints sending them on a 3 game losing streak and the Cowboys on a 4 game hot streak.


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AND ONE OTHER THING......GIVE ME ROMO OVER BRRES. Yep, while Brees has been busy talking about stats and perfect seasons and throwing picks, our guy has been talking one game at a time, and protecting the ball, and guiding his less talented and less explosive offense to victories over BREES and towards the playoffs where many are saying he is the QB playing the best....which he is when you stop and think about it. So, I don't expect any of you to retract all of your arrogant and premature support of Brees over Romo positions, but considering Romo already beat him in a big game as you say, and had 0 turnovers compared to Brees' 3, this is a lot more debatable than any of you ever would have imagined. Lets see where they end up here in the coming weeks, but Ill take Romos selfless approach and character over Brees' anyday.



Now that we've seen where they ended up what's your position on Brees vs Romo NOW? Blue_Colorz_PDT_02
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 3:55 am    Post subject: Re: Jhalp what's your position on Brees vs Romo now? Reply with quote

I'll wait for Jhalp to respond so I'm not answering for him. But I will say this-- I give the nod to Brees still... it's just not by nearly as much as others might think.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 4:37 am    Post subject: Re: Jhalp what's your position on Brees vs Romo now? Reply with quote

Here's the original thread started in 07 by the WAFFLE KING. This was a classic KNEE JERK that has become a reoccurring nightmare. LOL

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 7:52 am    Post subject: Re: Jhalp what's your position on Brees vs Romo now? Reply with quote

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We all know how you felt about Brees vs Romo 2 years ago when you started a thread back in 07 dissing Brees because of one bad game. Everyone on the board is well aware of how you live in the moment waffling back and forth depending on our current situation. Here's a comment you made the final month of the season after the Cowboys beat the Saints sending them on a 3 game losing streak and the Cowboys on a 4 game hot streak.


http://absolutecowboys.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=15105&highlight=brees

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Now that we've seen where they ended up what's your position on Brees vs Romo NOW? Blue_Colorz_PDT_02


LOL........Oh My God!!!!........the TROLL actually started a thread. LOL

Even if it was to troll, its a rare site. LOL
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:37 am    Post subject: Re: Jhalp what's your position on Brees vs Romo now? Reply with quote

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We all know how you felt about Brees vs Romo 2 years ago when you started a thread back in 07 dissing Brees because of one bad game. Everyone on the board is well aware of how you live in the moment waffling back and forth depending on our current situation. Here's a comment you made the final month of the season after the Cowboys beat the Saints sending them on a 3 game losing streak and the Cowboys on a 4 game hot streak.


http://absolutecowboys.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=15105&highlight=brees

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Now that we've seen where they ended up what's your position on Brees vs Romo NOW? Blue_Colorz_PDT_02





I'll take our guy still...who last time I checked beat Brees straight up.


Had Favre not thrown that late pick, this thread would not have been started.

Anytime Brees faced a rush the other day he looked small.....and its apples to oranges because Romo and Brees play in different schemes, and with different weapons.


And I don't care what others on here think....and I don't care if I am in in the minority....I'll stand by our guy.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:44 am    Post subject: Re: Jhalp what's your position on Brees vs Romo now? Reply with quote

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This is one subject I strongly disagree on. Brees is as awesome as it gets in my opinion. The guy is an amazing QB. And although I think Romo is also good, Brees is the cream of the crop. As good a leader as you can get at the position. Go onto You Tube and type in "brees vs archers"

From 20 yards out the guy hits dead center 9 bullseyes in a row. Its not even human. I love the guy.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:09 am    Post subject: Re: Jhalp what's your position on Brees vs Romo now? Reply with quote

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This is one subject I strongly disagree on. Brees is as awesome as it gets in my opinion. The guy is an amazing QB. And although I think Romo is also good, Brees is the cream of the crop. As good a leader as you can get at the position. Go onto You Tube and type in "brees vs archers"

From 20 yards out the guy hits dead center 9 bullseyes in a row. Its not even human. I love the guy.



I respect yours and others opinion who disagree with me. The numbers and SB appearance back you and the rest. I realize that. Im just saying, I would still take our guy if both were standing there and available.

Let's see what happens in a few weeks and in years to come. If Brees wins a SB and Romo does not, then I concede, but I truly do think there are a lot of variables in play that give Brees a big advantage over Romo.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:09 am    Post subject: Re: Jhalp what's your position on Brees vs Romo now? Reply with quote

Brees with the weapons that Romo has,,,, well, he would have a much better chance of beating Manning in 2 weeks.....
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:25 am    Post subject: Re: Jhalp what's your position on Brees vs Romo now? Reply with quote

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I respect yours and others opinion who disagree with me. The numbers and SB appearance back you and the rest. I realize that. Im just saying, I would still take our guy if both were standing there and available.

Let's see what happens in a few weeks and in years to come. If Brees wins a SB and Romo does not, then I concede, but I truly do think there are a lot of variables in play that give Brees a big advantage over Romo.


Im not talking about SB's or anything like that. I have watched both guys play for years. Just watching how they work and what either does for thier team, I take Brees. Brees has also been starting for longer and has more experience. But in my opinion, outside of Manning, Brees is the best QB in the NFL. Brady, Manning, Brees. These 3 are head and shoulders above the rest.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:27 am    Post subject: Re: Jhalp what's your position on Brees vs Romo now? Reply with quote

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Brees with the weapons that Romo has,,,, well, he would have a much better chance of beating Manning in 2 weeks.....



See, I think Romo with the weapons and OC/HC Brees has and the division Brees plays in would be doing similar things as Brees.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:28 am    Post subject: Re: Jhalp what's your position on Brees vs Romo now? Reply with quote

Yes Brees is headed to the SB, but he really didn't prove that he was much better this game. He had far more protection than Romo did against the Vikes, benefited from a short field twice, and overall wasn't as impressive during this game as he had been earlier in the season-- something Romo is usually scorned and labeled a choker for.

Even Troy and Buck noted the lack of zip he seemed to have on the ball and his inaccuracy. Honestly, if Brees was under the same kind of pressure that Romo was under it would have been the same result. He should have been picked off twice. One would have been a fluke type int, and the other would have been right to the defender had another defender not essentially batted it away. (I should really learn the Vikings defense' names).

Brees benefited from team play, questionable officiating, and most of all, Vikings mistakes. If not for those factors, it's highly likely that he's not even in the superbowl and still sitting with only 1 win more than Romo in his career, with 4 (or is it 5?) more years of starting experience.

Brees was average at best yesterday. I'd like to give him credit for not making the big mistake, but he in fact did... it's just that the Vikings never came up with it. And I'd like to say he played well enough to win, but really, IMO, the Vikings screwed up just enough to lose.

Like I said, I think Brees is a better QB, but I don't think anything was proven in that win over Minny.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:32 am    Post subject: Re: Jhalp what's your position on Brees vs Romo now? Reply with quote

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See, I think Romo with the weapons and OC/HC Brees has and the division Brees plays in would be doing similar things as Brees.


Dont you ever watch the clips of Brees in the middle of his team before games screaming and firing them all up? That guy is the type of hard ass leader that you need at QB. Romo is not on Brees level with Talent, leadership, or his abilities. Romo is great, but he is no Drew Brees.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:35 am    Post subject: Re: Jhalp what's your position on Brees vs Romo now? Reply with quote

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Im not talking about SB's or anything like that. I have watched both guys play for years. Just watching how they work and what either does for thier team, I take Brees. Brees has also been starting for longer and has more experience. But in my opinion, outside of Manning, Brees is the best QB in the NFL. Brady, Manning, Brees. These 3 are head and shoulders above the rest.



Brees has a better long ball...no doubt...but again, our Defense shut him out for 3 quarters and Romo beat him that day head to head.

The NFC East and getting every teams best each week because you are the QB of America's team is a bit different than lighting up the NFC South imo.

Payton is very aggressive, and Bush, Colston, Meachem, Shockey, etc are all big play guys. They play for stats down in NO.....records matter to them...

and if Favre doesnt throw an int at the end of that game. Brees is sitting at home and is 2-3 in the playoffs as a QB.

I thought Payton had a much better gameplan than Garrett and I thought NO gave Brees a hell of a lot more time than our line gave Romo...and I think Bush is better than any back we have in the passing game which gives them a big advantage.


I'm not saying I'm right on this....I'm just saying I'll stand by our guy who I don't feel has had the advantages Brees has had in NO since he got there.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 11:15 am    Post subject: Re: Jhalp what's your position on Brees vs Romo now? Reply with quote

But Brees is a whole inch shorter... Blue_Colorz_PDT_08
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 11:40 am    Post subject: Re: Jhalp what's your position on Brees vs Romo now? Reply with quote

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Dont you ever watch the clips of Brees in the middle of his team before games screaming and firing them all up? That guy is the type of hard ass leader that you need at QB. Romo is not on Brees level with Talent, leadership, or his abilities. Romo is great, but he is no Drew Brees.


I have to disagree about Brees' pre-game cheerleading making him a "hard ass leader". In fact most great QBs leave most of the emotional stuff to others. It's Brees' discipline and actions on the field that make him what he is.
I also disagree that "Romo is great". IMO Romo has shown he can be a good NFL QB, but he hasn't reached the "great" level.
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I have to disagree about Brees' pre-game cheerleading making him a "hard ass leader". In fact most great QBs leave most of the emotional stuff to others. It's Brees' discipline and actions on the field that make him what he is.
I also disagree that "Romo is great". IMO Romo has shown he can be a good NFL QB, but he hasn't reached the "great" level.
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Romo is a great QB, top 10 easily in the NFL.

Great of all time, didnt say that. Romo is much better then good. But then again, you have been bashing Romo since he put on a star.

And yah, I want a QB that is the emotional leader of the offense and the team. His rah rah speaches before the games are a little taste of that and they certainly are a part of what makes him a good leader.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Jhalp what's your position on Brees vs Romo now? Reply with quote

Brees is a far better passer. Passing league. Look at who's in the SB. No brainer.

Weapons? LOL! Brees has made his weapons excel, like all great QBs do. Plug in a WR and watch him put up numbers. Colston, Moore, Henderson, Meachem. No different than our guys. The best QBs make the most of their talent, not vice versa. Look at all the greats. Favre just did it with Minny. If we dont have enough weapons for our QB to get over the hump, god bless us. We've had HoFers, PBers (TO, Wit, MA, RW). No, its not the OC or the weapons. LOL! Its the QB.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Jhalp what's your position on Brees vs Romo now? Reply with quote

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Brees is a far better passer. Passing league. Look at who's in the SB. No brainer.

Weapons? LOL! Brees has made his weapons excel, like all great QBs do. Plug in a WR and watch him put up numbers. Colston, Moore, Henderson, Meachem. No different than our guys. The best QBs make the most of their talent, not vice versa. Look at all the greats. Favre just did it with Minny. If we dont have enough weapons for our QB to get over the hump, god bless us. We've had HoFers, PBers (TO, Wit, MA, RW). No, its not the OC or the weapons. LOL! Its the QB.


Agreed, Brees made that entire offense when he got there. The went from nothing offense to best in the league. Those receivers have gotten hurt all year, every year in and out of that lineup. It doesnt matter who he is throwing to, he makes those guys what they are. Colston was out of the lineup last year for half the season, and he was making other guys studs.

Brees is as good as it gets at QB, and he is the emotional and lockeroom leader of that club. He IS the man since day one.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Jhalp what's your position on Brees vs Romo now? Reply with quote

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Romo is a great QB, top 10 easily in the NFL.
Great of all time, didnt say that. Romo is much better then good. But then again, you have been bashing Romo since he put on a star.
And yah, I want a QB that is the emotional leader of the offense and the team. His rah rah speaches before the games are a little taste of that and they certainly are a part of what makes him a good leader.


If Romo's "Great" today...what adjective will you ascribe to him if and when he wins a/or some Super Bowls? 'Double great'? 'great squared'? What? See the problem you're creating for yourself?

As far as "bashing" is concerned...If understanding Romo's not perfect and pointing out flaws in his game...is "bashing"....then I'm guilty as charged.

and no...he's not "Great".

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 1:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Jhalp what's your position on Brees vs Romo now? Reply with quote

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If Romo's "Great" today...what adjective will you ascribe to him if and when he wins a/or some Super Bowls? 'Double great'? 'great squared'? What? See the problem you're creating for yourself?

As far as "bashing" is concerned...If understanding Romo's not perfect and pointing out flaws in his game...is "bashing"....then I'm guilty as charged.

and no...he's not "Great".

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Im really over getting into an argument with a Romo basher over what the term GREAT means when describing Romo.

When I speak of Romo being great, I refer to his camparison to other active QB's in the NFL. Where would I rate Romo TODAY as compared to the OTHER QB's and thier abilities. Romo is a top QB in the NFL which in my mind is GREAT. He is one of the BEST QB's in the NFL.

Whatever you are talking about, not sure.

IF Romo wins a SB, then he will be called a CHAMPION.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 1:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Jhalp what's your position on Brees vs Romo now? Reply with quote

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LOL........Oh My God!!!!........the TROLL actually started a thread. LOL

Even if it was to troll, its a rare site. LOL



Well if it isn't MR DELUSIONAL who accuses me of being a STALKER/TROLL. LOL Shouldn't you be crying to CRob about getting an ignore feature? Blue_Colorz_PDT_04 Any feature this board can come up with that would muzzle you would suit me just fine....LMFAO!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 2:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Jhalp what's your position on Brees vs Romo now? Reply with quote

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I'll take our guy still...who last time I checked beat Brees straight up.


Last time I checked our guy also beat Peyton Manning straight up in 06 then went on to botch a playoff game while Manning went on to win the SB. With all the WAFFLING you've done you have no choice but to stand by Romo even if it makes you look like an idiot. LOL Just like Favre Romo will always be good for that one back breaking turnover at the worst time. Even your monkey see monkey do delusional homer buddy isn't backing you on this one. Blue_Colorz_PDT_04
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 2:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Jhalp what's your position on Brees vs Romo now? Reply with quote

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Last time I checked our guy also beat Peyton Manning straight up in 06 then went on to botch a playoff game while Manning went on to win the SB. With all the WAFFLING you've done you have no choice but to stand by Romo even if it makes you look like an idiot. LOL Just like Favre Romo will always be good for that one back breaking turnover at the worst time. Even your monkey see monkey do delusional homer buddy isn't backing you on this one. Blue_Colorz_PDT_04




I'm just still shocked you started a thread....


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I'm just still shocked you started a thread....


good boy!


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We all know why you're still in shock. LOL You've been sitting on pins and needles since Sunday hoping and praying this topic wouldn't come up. Must have been a real JOLT when you logged on today and saw the thread title and that it was authored by me. Blue_Colorz_PDT_04 You can bet you'll be pulling hard for the Colts in 2 weeks. lmao
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Jhalp what's your position on Brees vs Romo now? Reply with quote

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Brees has a better long ball...no doubt...but again, our Defense shut him out for 3 quarters and Romo beat him that day head to head.


So because our defense shut out Brees for 3 quarters and Romo beat him head to head "that day" that makes Romo the better QB? LOL That's just you living the moment. Blue_Colorz_PDT_04 Romo beat Peyton Manning head to head in 06 only to go on and botch a playoff game with an ill timed turnover and Manning went on to win the SB. Romo beat Eli head to head twice in 07 only to choke against him with all the chips on the line and Eli went on to win the SB. You may put alot of weight into winning a battle but I don't if the guy you beat ends up going farther in the end. Romo has yet to prove he can win a tight back and forth game with alot riding on it. It's easy to win games when you're dominating your opponent but it takes alot of intestinal fortitude to out duel a great QB in a tight see saw battle with a SB birth on the line.


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and if Favre doesnt throw an int at the end of that game. Brees is sitting at home and is 2-3 in the playoffs as a QB.


The same can be said about Romo and the QB's he's faced in several important games. Favre's been around for 19 years and still makes the same critical mistakes with big games on the line. Romo makes the same stupid impulse throws that Favre has never been able to shake from his arsenal. It's those kind critical mistakes that kept Danny White from leading the Cowboys to a SB.


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I'm not saying I'm right on this....I'm just saying I'll stand by our guy who I don't feel has had the advantages Brees has had in NO since he got there.


You're never right but with all the WAFFLING I've nailed you on you're going to stand by Romo until the bitter end no matter what. LOL Most experts feel the Cowboys have the most talented roster in the league. Romo has been working with pro bowl receivers and a pro bowl TE ever since he took over in 06. He's had big OL's and several good RB's to work with. Our offense was scoring points on a franchise record pace in 07 and Romo tossed 36 TD's. Romo is putting up HOF numbers but continues to choke in big games. Watching Favre make the same critical mistakes year after year doesn't give me much confidence in Romo's chances of ever taking the Cowboys all the way. McNabb has had that same problem of always making critical mistakes in big games. It takes a steady QB who can make good decisions in critical situations to win a championship. Favre's only ring came because another mistake prone QB Bledsoe tossed 4 picks.
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