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Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 9:56 pm Post subject: ESPN Mosely: Cowboys' Day 1 Observation Deck
ESPN Mosely: Cowboys' Day 1 Observation Deck
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Cowboys' Day 1 observation deck
July, 24, 2010 Jul 24
8:15
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By Matt Mosley
SAN ANTONIO -- The Dallas Cowboys' first training camp practice was scheduled to begin at 2:15 p.m. local time, but first-round pick Dez Bryant took the field 45 minutes early to the delight of fans and I'm sure his coaches. As he's done since his first rookie camp, Bryant stole the show with an array of acrobatic catches. He spiced up even the most routine warmup drill by reaching up and snagging the corner of the football with his left hand as if it were a nerf.
At least one reporter (from the Dallas-Fort Worth CBS affiliate) was already asking folks to lay odds on when Bryant would replace Roy Williams in the starting lineup. Imagine what we'll be saying after Bryant's second practice, which is scheduled for Sunday. The former Oklahoma State wide receiver was just thrilled to be playing football again. After Bryant made a remarkable catch along the sideline, Wade Phillips' legendary father, Bum, cut off his conversation with Jerry Jones and began clapping like a fan. Believe it or not, though, there were other players on the field Saturday. Let's get to the observation deck:
•The loudest cheers of the day were reserved for quarterback Tony Romo, who ran a warmup lap as he took the field at 2:29 p.m. local time. A few minutes earlier, Miles Austin walked onto the field to a large ovation and acknowledged the crowd with an exaggerated wave of his arm. I had a long visit with Austin after practice about how his life has changed over the past year. It appears that he and Bryant will have a spirited competition to see who can make the toughest catches in practice. Austin told me that he's looking forward to a preseason matchup with the Dolphins because he wants to catch up with the man who gave him a chance in the league, Bill Parcells.
•It didn't take long to realize that someone was missing from the tight ends group. Martellus Bennett, who has a lot to prove after a disappointing '09, is on the non-football injury list with an ankle sprain. Bennett suffered the injury while running some routes at Valley Ranch on his own last week, but the Cowboys don't seem overly concerned. The athletic training staff had already set up shop in San Antonio, so the tight end wasn't able to get the same type of treatment that he normally would have received. He'll be day-to-day, and quite honestly, he's not in position to miss any days based on his tepid performance last season. It's odd that Phillips failed to mention Bennett's injury during Friday's opening news conference...
•Second-year tight end John Phillips had an impressive first practice. He caught a couple of passes across the middle and he outperformed the other tight ends on a blocking sled. He's added some muscle and he looked dominant in blocking drills.
•It's only the first practice, but Patrick Crayton had a bad drop on an inside route during drills. It will be an interesting battle for the fourth receiver spot between Crayton and Kevin Ogletree. Another possible candidate, Sam Hurd, missed practice because his wife had a child Friday. And since Phillips became a grandfather six days ago, I'm thinking he'll cut Hurd some slack.
•Had a good conversation with right tackle Marc Colombo. He's obviously in much better condition than the last time we saw him in a regular-season game against the Vikings. Colombo told me that he'd lost 12 pounds. "I decided to get in shape and kick some [expletive]," said the right tackle/heavy metal guitarist.
•I don't want you to be too alarmed, but linebacker Curtis Johnson blew by left tackle Doug Free on a speed rush during team drills. But on some inside running plays, Free did an excellent job of getting leverage and shielding his defender. This is not going to go smoothly at times, but Tony Romo seems to have plenty of confidence in Free -- until Trent Cole takes his head off.
•It's obvious that defensive coordinator Wade Phillips is going to put more emphasis on causing turnovers this season. During one drill, he had the defensive ends reach up and try to bat down volleyballs while other defenders were trying to scoop up actual footballs. I was intrigued by this drill until a former colleague scolded me for recognizing it from the Parcells era. I apologized profusely and returned my focus to the offense.
•On the first official play of training camp (if there is such a thing), Tony Romo fired a deep ball to Miles Austin. The ball sailed over Austin's head as he and the defender went up together.
•I'm sure you're not surprised to hear that the defense appeared to be ahead of the offense on Day 1. I was particularly impressed with the safeties. The forgotten Pat Watkins came racing across the field to break up a deep ball from Romo at the last second. It was a very nice play, and it prompted Jerry Jones to deliver an awkward fist pump. Later in practice, Romo attempted to dial up Roy Williams on a fly pattern down the left sideline. Second-year safety Michael Hamlin arrived just in time to knock the pass away. Linebacker Keith Brooking told me recently that Hamlin will provide some stiff competition for Alan Ball. He's been very impressed with both players.
•Tough first day for rookie free-agent cornerback Bryan McCann from SMU. The player obviously has some talent, but he was victimized by both Bryant and Ogletree. He appeared to be in decent position on both plays, but he didn't get a hand up in time.
•Stop me if you've heard this one, but Roy Williams insisted to me that he and Romo developed some excellent chemistry during OTAs. I asked him what he thought about Phillips telling us that the coaching staff had watched all of his snaps with the Lions, and he didn't seem particularly excited. "We just have to get on the same page as the quarterback," said Williams. He said that he was "excited" when the Cowboys selected Bryant and that he would be available if the rookie had any questions. "If he needs me, I'm not going to turn my back on him," said Williams. The former Texas Longhorn said the Cowboys were "paper champions" heading into 2010, but he knows that won't get them to the Super Bowl.
•Linebacker Victor Butler raced to his right and snagged an interception across the middle. He and former Texas Tech star Brandon Williams will compete for playing time at outside linebacker. But on Day 1, Butler had the better day. He's quick off the ball and I think he could be an effective pass-rushing specialist.
Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 1:01 pm Post subject: Re: ESPN Mosely: Cowboys' Day 1 Observation Deck
southMOfan wrote:
Rock beats Scissors
Scissors beat Paper
And Ogletree spanks Crayton like an ADHD 3rd grader
I picked a good year to go high def...
I'd love to see Austin, Dez, Ogletree, and Crayton as our top 4 WR's. How does RW help us? Seriously? What can he do that Dez, Ogletree, and Crayton can not? What threat does he pose to a Defense? Do any of us think Romo is going to go to him on 3rd and 8 with Austin and Witten and Crayton on the field?
And yes, South, RW does talk too much. He tries to take the high road but he's easy to read, imo, and the read usually consists of some underlying pettiness, and lip service about how great everything is when we all know that is a bunch of BS.
Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 2:05 pm Post subject: Re: ESPN Mosely: Cowboys' Day 1 Observation Deck
Jhalp wrote:
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I'd love to see Austin, Dez, Ogletree, and Crayton as our top 4 WR's. How does RW help us? Seriously? What can he do that Dez, Ogletree, and Crayton can not? What threat does he pose to a Defense? Do any of us think Romo is going to go to him on 3rd and 8 with Austin and Witten and Crayton on the field?
And yes, South, RW does talk too much. He tries to take the high road but he's easy to read, imo, and the read usually consists of some underlying pettiness, and lip service about how great everything is when we all know that is a bunch of BS.
Crayton is a has been. Austin has to prove himself for another year before Jed will commit the big bucks and that is just smart.
Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 2:34 pm Post subject: Re: ESPN Mosely: Cowboys' Day 1 Observation Deck
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Crayton is a has been. Austin has to prove himself for another year before Jed will commit the big bucks and that is just smart.
1. Considering we already have Austin and Dez in the fold, I'd take Crayton and his pay and acceptance of being #3 or #4 over RW who is grossly overpaid and still in denial about who he truly is and what his role should be here. Imo, RW is nothing more than a progress impeder at this point. Crayton can play the #2 WR spot, the #3 WR spot, Punt Returner, and comes a lot cheaper. I'll take him over RW...thank you very much.
2. I agree that Jerry should wait at least till midseason or perhaps longer to lock up Austin longterm. If Austin is blowing up again this season and continues to be the team-first guy he has been, then Jerry would be smart to re-up him while he maintains leverage and before Austin becomes an UFA after this season. I think Austin gets re-upped sometime during this season if he is willing to take a hometown friendly deal and remains healthy.
8-9 million per season with 30 million or so of guaranteed money.
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Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 4:34 pm Post subject: Re: ESPN Mosely: Cowboys' Day 1 Observation Deck
I agree with you about Roy W. Jhalp. And I'm really disappointed in him. I thought he'd be a great addition back when Jerry first got him, but it's been one big under-achievement since. Plus, it seems like he acts like a softer, gentler, whinier version of TO. I sense complaining too in his "fans don't understand" comments, and mentioning how the fans get on you if you drop something in practice.
Well aint that unfair...
Of course, Crayton needs to man up as well. He dropped too many crucial passes last year and has been upset with the Cowboys drafting Dez... Maybe him and Williams should room together and watch Steel Magnolias or Beaches?? You know, have a good cry.
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Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 8:51 pm Post subject: Re: ESPN Mosely: Cowboys' Day 1 Observation Deck
Jhalp wrote:
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I'd love to see Austin, Dez, Ogletree, and Crayton as our top 4 WR's. How does RW help us? Seriously? What can he do that Dez, Ogletree, and Crayton can not? What threat does he pose to a Defense? Do any of us think Romo is going to go to him on 3rd and 8 with Austin and Witten and Crayton on the field?
It's one of the mysteries of life. But it isn't limited to the team feeling that way as most of this board is ready to just hand him the starting job this year yet again. Only time will resolve this ugly situation.
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Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 8:59 pm Post subject: Re: ESPN Mosely: Cowboys' Day 1 Observation Deck
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It's one of the mysteries of life. But it isn't limited to the team feeling that way as most of this board is ready to just hand him the starting job this year yet again. Only time will resolve this ugly situation.
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Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 11:35 pm Post subject: Re: ESPN Mosely: Cowboys' Day 1 Observation Deck
Jhalp wrote:
[..]I'd love to see Austin, Dez, Ogletree, and Crayton as our top 4 WR's
A couple of months ago you wanted to package Crayton AND Spears for a measly 4th round pick now look at the tune you're singing. LOL What has Ogeltree done for you to want him as one of our top 4 WR's? He caught a grand total of 7 passes last season and you have him ahead of RW. I read a couple of reports during the mini camps that Tree wasn't looking very good. Nick Eatman during the lunch break several weeks ago claimed the coaching staff wasn't real pleased with what they saw from Ogeltree. I have news for you he still has a ways to go before he's ready to be one of our top 4 WR's. He has alot of upside but he's only going into his second season and still has to prove himself before he can be depended on. This is an important season for the Cowboys with this being the franchises 50th anniversary, Emmitt being inducted into the HOF and the SB being played at Cowboys stadium with the team having a legit chance to be there.
Jhalp wrote:
[..]How does RW help us? Seriously? What can he do that Dez, Ogletree, and Crayton can not?
How does RW help us? Only you would ask a silly question like that. LOL He adds experience and ability and is one of the reasons this is one of the most talented WR corps the Cowboys have had in years. He gives the team security in the event of an injury and allows us to be patient with Dez. Putting RW, Dez and Austin on the field in certain situations is going to create problems for defenses which will result in some big plays. RW has made plays in the league all you have to do is go back to opening day last season against the Bucs. With Dez in the picture he may not even produce the numbers he did last season but he'll make some key plays and his presence on the field along with our other receivers is going to make this one of the most explosive Cowboy offenses ever if our OL gets it done.
Regardless of his season last year RW is a player that has to be accounted for and that makes him valuable to the team. You're only down on him because you over estimated him last season and now you're completely underestimating him. Typical Jhalp! LOL I knew RW wouldn't be real productive when the Cowboys traded for him based off his decline in numbers with Detroit. There's no doubt in my mind he's going to make some plays for the Cowboys this season and his presence is going to help the maturation process of Dez Bryant.
Jhalp wrote:
[..]RW is nothing more than a progress impeder at this point. Crayton can play the #2 WR spot, the #3 WR spot, Punt Returner, and comes a lot cheaper. I'll take him over RW...thank you very much.
If anything RW will help with the progress of Dez. With RW around the Cowboys will be able to work Dez in until he's ready to take over instead of having to throw him in as a starter before he's ready. One of the reasons Randy Moss had such a great rookie season was because he was able to work his way in behind the experience of Chris Carter and Jake Reed which enabled Moss to make a smooth transition into the starting role. Dez is in a similar situation and his presence is going to motivate RW and vise versa. The progress stopper is Crayton who's 31 years old and has reached his ceiling. If he was a competent #2 WR Jerry would have never made the trade for RW. LOL If you put him as the #3 receiver he'll be taking snaps away from Dez impeding his progress. If you have him return punts that takes away another opportunity for Dez to see the field and make plays. If he wasn't a progress stopper he wouldn't have asked for a trade he sees the writing on the wall.
Jhalp wrote:
[..]I agree with Florio...I think he should be let go also. I'd wait till Dez has the offense and playbook down first, and make sure we make it through the summer with no injuries, and or upon another team suffering a big injury at WR then trade RW to that team...but in my always humble opinion, I think he's the bull in the china shop in terms of team chemistry and progress and we'd be a lot more "natural" imo without him.
If RW is let go during the season what happens if we have an injury or a rash of injuries at WR? It would be FOOLISH to part with a capable veteran WR during the season with everything the Cowboys have on the line this year. How do you know Austin is going to have the kind of year he had last season? He's not going to be sneaking up on anyone this year. You've made it clear that in your opinion RW is totally worthless to this team we'll soon find out. LOL
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[..]And yes, South, RW does talk too much. He tries to take the high road but he's easy to read, imo, and the read usually consists of some underlying pettiness, and lip service about how great everything is when we all know that is a bunch of BS.
What about Crayton's big mouth? At least RW wasn't crying about the Cowboys drafting Dez and didn't demand a trade because he's afraid to compete. All Crayton will be remembered for is his big mouth and the dropped pass and hesitated route against NY in the playoffs in 07 that helped cost the Cowboys that game. Crayton is a good slot receiver but no one impedes the progress of our young receivers like he does. RW has had 3 seasons where he's topped Crayton's career best for yards and catches. He's also had 2 seasons where he's topped Crayton's career best for TD's and 2 other seasons where he's tied Crayton's career best for TD's including last season. It took a fluke 80 yard catch and run where Crayton was left WIDE OPEN for him to finish the season with 26 more yards than RW which in your mind makes Crayton the better receiver. LOL Now go ahead with your TO agenda.
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Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 1:12 am Post subject: Re: ESPN Mosely: Cowboys' Day 1 Observation Deck
Jhalp wrote:
Do any of us think Romo is going to go to him on 3rd and 8 with Austin and Witten and Crayton on the field?
So you have Crayton out there instead of Dez? Yeah you're really clued up! All of a sudden you're all giddy over Crayton who whined most of the offseason. LOL
Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:30 am Post subject: Re: ESPN Mosely: Cowboys' Day 1 Observation Deck
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What about Crayton's big mouth? At least RW wasn't crying about the Cowboys drafting Dez and didn't demand a trade because he's afraid to compete. All Crayton will be remembered for is his big mouth and the dropped pass and hesitated route against NY in the playoffs in 07 that helped cost the Cowboys that game. Crayton is a good slot receiver but no one impedes the progress of our young receivers like he does. RW has had 3 seasons where he's topped Crayton's career best for yards and catches. He's also had 2 seasons where he's topped Crayton's career best for TD's and 2 other seasons where he's tied Crayton's career best for TD's including last season. It took a fluke 80 yard catch and run where Crayton was left WIDE OPEN for him to finish the season with 26 more yards than RW which in your mind makes Crayton the better receiver. LOL Now go ahead with your TO agenda.
I don't have time to do a book report type response...but let me put it this way.
1. I stand by my trade proposition regarding Crayton and Spears. Obviously they were on the block at the time and I would have taken a 4th rd pick for them combined...we couldn't even get a 6 for either of them based on reports.
2. I stand by seeing more value in Crayton than RW due to him being able to play the #2, #3, and PR position if need be. RW can play outside only and he can't even do that very well.
3. I saw enough in Ogletree last year to know he presents more value at his cap number than RW does at his. RW had one of the worse value vs. attempt ratios in the NFL last year. TRANSLATION - you could have lined up almost anyone in his slot, and thrown the ball to that person as many times and come out with better results. Teams don't double him....he's a big oaf who lines up outside and drops balls, runs the wrong route, and who has horrible chemistry with our qb. The OC has to design plays just to get the oaf involved.
4. The Cowboys have already tipped their hand and said they plan on getting Dez Bryant heavily involved this season, and based on early reports, Dez has already demonstrated more this offseason than RW has in two years. We'll see...but I have little doubt Dez will surpass him at some point and it will be obvious, then what? We have the big Oaf hogging space and time because of his money and name recognition? Or sitting on the sidelines pouting as we're trying to compete for a SB? No thanx!
5. T.O.?? LOL......nah, that ship has left the harbor. You shit all over yourself on that one and we all know it. I'm ready to move on.
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Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 12:53 pm Post subject: Re: ESPN Mosely: Cowboys' Day 1 Observation Deck
If he didn't have such a huge salary, Roy would be traded for a conditional pick already.
He'll get some reps when the Cowboys are close to the endzone. They'll even probably call their receiver lineup something like... "The Big and Tall" package.... but Ogletree would outplay Roy right now, and Dez will be past him soon enough.
The reason why Crayton SHOULD be past Roy at number 4 on the depth chart is because a number 4 receiver should be able to contribute on special teams. Receiver-wise, I'd still give a slight edge to Roy believe it or not.
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Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 5:08 pm Post subject: Re: ESPN Mosely: Cowboys' Day 1 Observation Deck
Jhalp wrote:
1. I stand by my trade proposition regarding Crayton and Spears. Obviously they were on the block at the time and I would have taken a 4th rd pick for them combined...we couldn't even get a 6 for either of them based on reports.
Anyone who would package and trade their starting LE who's been very good against the run and their 3rd WR who makes plays in the slot and also returns punts for a measly 4th rd pick doesn't have a clue! The odds on a 4th rounder panning out into a quality player is slim and you want to give up 2 proven players one who's a starter still in their prime for a roll of the dice in the 4th rd. LOL If you were a GM your phone would be ringing 24/7 with teams wanting to make trades with you.
Jhalp wrote:
2. I stand by seeing more value in Crayton than RW due to him being able to play the #2, #3, and PR position if need be. RW can play outside only and he can't even do that very well.
There's been talk about Crayton being flat out released and you think he has more value than a younger, bigger and faster RW? LOL You just admitted you wanted to package him and Spears for a 4th rd pick and here you are talking up his value. LOL If Crayton could affectively play the #2 WR position Jerry would have never given up a #1 and #3 for RW. LOL If Crayton could play the #2 WR position the Cowboys would have started him at #2 against KC instead of Austin. LOL If Crayton was such a good PR the Cowboys wouldn't have gone out and signed Rossum to return punts last season. It took an injury to Rossum for Crayton to get his job back. You continue to make this too easy for me.
Jhalp wrote:
3. I saw enough in Ogletree last year to know he presents more value at his cap number than RW does at his. RW had one of the worse value vs. attempt ratios in the NFL last year. TRANSLATION - you could have lined up almost anyone in his slot, and thrown the ball to that person as many times and come out with better results. Teams don't double him....he's a big oaf who lines up outside and drops balls, runs the wrong route, and who has horrible chemistry with our qb. The OC has to design plays just to get the oaf involved.
When you're a legit SB contending team no one cares how many players on the team present more value at their cap numbers than RW. What's important is what player is producing the most and last season RW had as many TD's as Ogletree had catches. Ogletree is a work in progress. When you're entering a season with a chance to reach the SB you can't depend on a developmental player who's going into their second year in a key role who only produced 7 catches for 96 yards as a rookie. RW is already paid for and has the experience to produce in a critical situation and I would rather depend on him in Dec and Jan with our season on the line than an inexperienced player who may have more upside and be a better value at their cap number. RW put up 5 catches for 105 yards against a very good GB team last year and was our only bright spot in that game. Right this moment RW is a better more seasoned receiver than Ogletree and right this moment is all I care about. In a year or 2 Tree might be the better receiver who I want on the field in a critical situation but what's important who's ready THIS season. RW on the field has to be accounted for and him along side Austin and Dez is going to create problems for defenses. The fact that RW has been kicked around by the media and fans this offseason is going to motivate him. Dez is going to motivate him and this competition between them is going to make both players to step up this season.
Jhalp wrote:
4. The Cowboys have already tipped their hand and said they plan on getting Dez Bryant heavily involved this season, and based on early reports, Dez has already demonstrated more this offseason than RW has in two years. We'll see...but I have little doubt Dez will surpass him at some point and it will be obvious, then what? We have the big Oaf hogging space and time because of his money and name recognition? Or sitting on the sidelines pouting as we're trying to compete for a SB? No thanx!
The Cowboys tipped their hand the day they moved up to draft Dez. LOL You don't move up and take a player in the first rd who has off the field issues if you don't plan on getting them heavily involved this season. Dez is pushing RW and that can only make RW better. A strong competition amongst teammates vying for a job is healthy and it makes your team better. Dez will surpass RW but it may take some time and that makes RW valuable. As for pouting the only one who's been doing that is Crayton who you want on the field on a 3rd and 8 instead of Dez. LOL All you've been doing is ripping RW claiming he's going to ruin our chemistry when it's Crayton who's been making waves all offseason by demanding a trade and not wanting to show up and compete. No player can ruin a teams chemistry like an unhappy camper who doesn't want to be here.
Jhalp wrote:
5. T.O.?? LOL......nah, that ship has left the harbor. You shit all over yourself on that one and we all know it. I'm ready to move on.
Yeah that ship left the harbor and sunk with you in it. LOL Show me some stats that prove the Cowboys faltered in 07 and 08 because of TO and won their first playoff game in 13 years last season because TO wasn't on the roster. The Cowboys faltered in 07 because like in 06 Romo suffered from a turnover filled meltdown during Dec and Jan and our defense broke down. The team faltered in 08 because once again Romo suffered another turnover filled meltdown and our D once again folded down the stretch. The Cowboys were successful last season because Romo finally played well in Dec having more TD's than turnovers for the first time and our D stepped up and played at a championship level. Once Romo reverted back to turning the ball over and our D faltered the Vikings kicked our ass and TO was nowhere in sight. LOL
Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 8:45 pm Post subject: Re: ESPN Mosely: Cowboys' Day 1 Observation Deck
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Yeah that ship left the harbor and sunk with you in it. LOL Show me some stats that prove the Cowboys faltered in 07 and 08 because of TO and won their first playoff game in 13 years last season because TO wasn't on the roster. The Cowboys faltered in 07 because like in 06 Romo suffered from a turnover filled meltdown during Dec and Jan and our defense broke down. The team faltered in 08 because once again Romo suffered another turnover filled meltdown and our D once again folded down the stretch. The Cowboys were successful last season because Romo finally played well in Dec having more TD's than turnovers for the first time and our D stepped up and played at a championship level. Once Romo reverted back to turning the ball over and our D faltered the Vikings kicked our ass and TO was nowhere in sight. LOL
Dude, you're one dense and shallow mfer...you really are.
1. Spears won't be starting at DE for us here in a few months, if that long.
2. Knowing Spears is/was a complete joke, and knowing he is an UFA after this season and we won't get shit for him after this season, and knowing they had Crayton on the trade block, I said "Id be happy with a 4th for both of them combined." That was the context in which I made my statement...not your manipulated version...but I digress, we all knew that already.
3. I never said Crayton should start over Dez. I gave an off the cuff scenario of a 3rd down and 8 with the guys I mentioned being on the field...more based on who was on the field last year...not who will be on it this year. Again, your desperate ass ran with it and tried to turn it into something it wasnt...but again, we all knew that.
4. Yes, I would take Crayton over RW, and yes, I would start him over RW, and I trust him more than RW, and since Crayton reported in May, I haven't heard one fucking peep out of him but your boy RW can't keep his mouth shut. If Crayton is off the block, Id rather have him on the field and not RW. NO DOUBT!
5. You keep babbling about T.O. Let it go, brother. You're now obsessing over it long after the debate has been decided. It's embarrassing...and I challenge you to get one mfer on this entire board or for you to post anything from the internet defending your position...but you can't so I'm wasting my time even challenging you on this.
Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 10:53 pm Post subject: Re: ESPN Mosely: Cowboys' Day 1 Observation Deck
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LOL nice J....
Bengals made an offer to TO..Guess he's too good to take the vets minimum.
Welcome back to the fold, Blue. Good seeing us all come back to life and reunite. Freaking game in a few weeks already!
And hope you're still doing some tailgate action. I'm bringing a honey out there this year and we're doing some shots and throwing the ball around and talking some major shit to passers-by.
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Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 2:39 am Post subject: Re: ESPN Mosely: Cowboys' Day 1 Observation Deck
Jhalp wrote:
Dude, you're one dense and shallow mfer...you really are.
All anyone has to do is check your archives to see who's dense. LOL If you were granted only 3 wishes you'd use one to have the archives blown up. God only knows all the crow you've eaten.
Jhalp wrote:
1. Spears won't be starting at DE for us here in a few months, if that long.
So what do you suggest oh dense one we should dump him now and just go with Hatcher even though he hasn't shown he can play the run consistently? LOL If it's going to take a few more months for Spears to lose his starting job wouldn't it be wise to hold on to him until he did? LOL I would hold on to him the entire season even if he loses his job during preseason because he has experience and gives the team some solid depth. Let's say Spears loses his job during the season in your eyes he would have no value as a backup? Dude c'mon! LOL What happens if we dump Spears like you want us to do and we suffer some injuries on the DL then what? One of the reasons our 90's teams were so good was because we had great depth especially on our DL which enabled us to have an affective rotation which helped keep our players fresh. We had backups like Jimmy Jones and Leon Lett making big plays in the SB in 92. There was no drop off in our play when those players came in. You don't seem to care about depth if it was up to you we would be dumping RW and Spears before the season starts. It's no surprise your archived posts are so laughable.
Jhalp wrote:
2. Knowing Spears is/was a complete joke, and knowing he is an UFA after this season and we won't get shit for him after this season, and knowing they had Crayton on the trade block, I said "Id be happy with a 4th for both of them combined." That was the context in which I made my statement...not your manipulated version...but I digress, we all knew that already.
No one is looking ahead to the 2011 season all that matters is THIS season! Who cares if Spears isn't back next season and we don't get shit for him he can still help us this year and this year is what matters. Teams change every year and who knows what kind of team the Cowboys will have in 2011 but in 2010 they have a very talented team with some depth on the DL and at WR. Only a complete numbskull would want to dump a couple of starters as the season is approaching because they're probably going to lose their jobs at some point during the season.
Spears hasn't been a great player but he's been steady and he's been solid against the run which can't be said about his backup. Dude stop embarrassing yourself! As for that dumbass trade you suggested I didn't manipulate anything I posted what you said. LOL You wanted to trade Crayton and Spears for a 4th rd pick which is ridiculous! Give away two proven players that are currently contributing to SB contender for a roll of the dice in the 4th rd...BRILLIANT!
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3. I never said Crayton should start over Dez. I gave an off the cuff scenario of a 3rd down and 8 with the guys I mentioned being on the field...more based on who was on the field last year...not who will be on it this year. Again, your desperate ass ran with it and tried to turn it into something it wasnt...but again, we all knew that.
I never said you did but you did have Crayton, Austin and Witten on the field on a 3rd and 8 and didn't mention Dez. You also had Crayton returning punts which takes away an opportunity for Dez to make a big play. I don't pull the crap you do I repeat what you say and you act like I'm twisting your words once you see how stupid you sound. LOL Let's say RW and Austin start the season at WR where do you fit in Dez, Crayton and Ogletree? Who's your 3rd receiver? This should be interesting. LOL
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4. Yes, I would take Crayton over RW, and yes, I would start him over RW, and I trust him more than RW, and since Crayton reported in May, I haven't heard one fucking peep out of him but your boy RW can't keep his mouth shut. If Crayton is off the block, Id rather have him on the field and not RW. NO DOUBT!
You're just down on RW because he made you look like a dope with your 72 catch 1000-plus yard prediction for him last season. LOL He burned your ass good. He's likely to burn your ass again now that you want him cut and pegged him as worthless. I have all your posts bookmarked. LOL As for you wanting Crayton on the field instead of RW you also want Crayton on the field instead of Dez on 3rd and 8 and you also want him returning punts instead of Dez. This is some Crayton lovefest you're on.
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5. You keep babbling about T.O. Let it go, brother. You're now obsessing over it long after the debate has been decided. It's embarrassing...and I challenge you to get one mfer on this entire board or for you to post anything from the internet defending your position...but you can't so I'm wasting my time even challenging you on this.
I'm the one babbling about TO? A couple of weeks ago you said you would continue to remind me of the debate we had so I just beat you to the punch. LOL Here's your quote and mind you I never mentioned TO in that discussion you diverted and brought him up because I had you cornered on a completely different topic. LOL
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With all of that being said; you were/are totally wrong about TO when it is all said and done and his lack of a team heading into training camp pretty much closes the debate. He was all but done when he was let go here, and his lack of production in Buffalo supports this. Admit you were wrong and move on and until you do admit it, I, along with others will continue to remind you of how fucking stupid you were to keep clinging onto this debate well after it had been decided.
Everytime I corner you in a debate you divert to the TO argument and end up getting cornered again because you don't have anything concrete that proves he's the reason the Cowboys seasons ended in disappointment because he was on the roster. Not one knowledgeable fan or expert would blame TO for our meltdowns in 06, 07 and 08. You can buy into the perception based off his last year in Philly but the stats conclusively prove that it's been Romo's turnover filled meltdowns and our defense folding during Dec and Jan that killed our seasons those years. No way is one player especially a WR going to cause a team to collapse every Dec. No ones blindass opinion is going to prove anyone wrong. It's FACTS that prove people wrong and you never have any facts to support your claims or opinions. As for challenging me it is a waste of your time because you never have any facts just your own opinions which aren't worth a shit based off your dismal history. Just telling it like it is! Speaking of challenges where's that post and link where you claimed I lied about Romo? LOL You never took me up on that challenge you ran off like you always do when you're caught in a bold face lie.
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Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 3:52 am Post subject: Re: ESPN Mosely: Cowboys' Day 1 Observation Deck
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And hope you're still doing some tailgate action. I'm bringing a honey out there this year and we're doing some shots and throwing the ball around and talking some major shit to passers-by.
You know all about talking some major shit. LOL Hope that honey is all booked and paid for.
Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 9:29 am Post subject: Re: ESPN Mosely: Cowboys' Day 1 Observation Deck
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"I have all your posts bookmarked."
Why does that not surprise me.
WTF are we even arguing about anyway?
I think Spears is a clown and is basically worthless in Wade's scheme and could easily be replaced by just about anyone NFL roster worthy, and you think he's this great run stopping force that is vital to our SB run.
Ok, great...were both on record and I think he's going to lose his job and be moved to backup DE or NT, and be gone after this season and essentially make little contribution this year...and basically do nothing someone else in his spot couldn't do also if they were on the field.
I think RW is overrated and not worthy of starting and because of his money and super sized ego, I think it would be best if he were removed from the team via trade or waiver if he can't handle sitting down to make room for Dez who is the true talent and difference maker who can take pressure off of Austin and Witten. You think RW is a solid talent worthy of starting for now and who is important to team depth. If you think WR5 and WR6 are important to team depth then great...because that is all RW is worth at this point, in this scheme, and with this QB.
You think TO should have been on the team last year when it was proven we were better without him, and our QB was happier and took over as the natural leader without him...not to mention the opportunitiy if afforded Austin to prove YOU and others wrong and to help this team go further than they had in 13 years because of his season saving games and plays.
What else?
Dude, just change your screen name and come back as a new person with some new ideas and arguments. You're picking right back up where you left off last year and you're in store for another disaster this season with your positions and arguments. Maybe this shit works at Cowboyzone or whereever else you hang out, but nobody is buying here, brother...
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Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 4:27 pm Post subject: Re: ESPN Mosely: Cowboys' Day 1 Observation Deck
Jhalp wrote:
WTF are we even arguing about anyway?
Try following the discussion instead of spending your time diverting and bullshitting and maybe you could keep up. The reason we keep arguing all the time is because you can't stop with the bullshit.
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I think Spears is a clown and is basically worthless in Wade's scheme and could easily be replaced by just about anyone NFL roster worthy, and you think he's this great run stopping force that is vital to our SB run.
If Spears is so worthless in Wades scheme then how come Wade's been starting him the past 3 seasons? LOL He's been starting him because every teams defensive philosophy is to stop the run first and that's an area Spears has been solid in. Never once did I say he's a great run stopping force that's just more of your BULLSHIT! If Spears could be easily replaced then how come he's been starting ever since his rookie year? Hatcher's had injury issues and although he can provide a pass rush he hasn't been consistent stopping the run. One of the things that's vital to the Cowboys SB run is having some quality depth with experience at key positions in case of an injury. You want to dump two young experienced starters because you think they're worthless. Tell that to the Cowboys. You haven't taken into account the value of a solid rotation with quality depth up front because you're simply not clued up and your many gaffs in the archives prove it. LOL
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Ok, great...were both on record and I think he's going to lose his job and be moved to backup DE or NT, and be gone after this season and essentially make little contribution this year...and basically do nothing someone else in his spot couldn't do also if they were on the field.
What do you have me on record for that Spears isn't going to lose his job? LOL I never said he wasn't going to lose his job so cut the BULLSHIT and try keeping our discussions real. He's not going to be resigned next season but as we speak the team is still not clear on who his replacement will be. Chances are it will be Hatcher but he's going to have to stay healthy and improve his consistency against the run.
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I think RW is overrated and not worthy of starting and because of his money and super sized ego, I think it would be best if he were removed from the team via trade or waiver if he can't handle sitting down to make room for Dez who is the true talent and difference maker who can take pressure off of Austin and Witten. You think RW is a solid talent worthy of starting for now and who is important to team depth. If you think WR5 and WR6 are important to team depth then great...because that is all RW is worth at this point, in this scheme, and with this QB.
You sure didn't think he was worthless last season with your prediction of 72 catches for over a 1000 yards. LOL Only figures you'd change your position concerning him this season after he proved you to be an idiot. Cheer up wrongway at least you didn't miss the mark as bad as NJ who had super Roy catching over 80 passes for 1400 yards. I'm not saying RW is a solid talent but he is important to our depth at WR and he's important to the development of Dez because his experience as a starter is going to allow the Cowboys to ease in Dez instead of having to throw him into a starting role before he's ready. One of your biggest problems is you don't think logically because you're a knee jerker who lives in the moment. The more you bash RW the more likely he's going to prove you wrong again. You go from one extreme to another with players which causes you to look like a fool flip flopping back and forth continually changing your position on them as you live in the moment. RW won't have impressive numbers again this season but he will make some key plays over the course of the season. He'll make enough plays to prove you wrong once again.
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You think TO should have been on the team last year when it was proven we were better without him, and our QB was happier and took over as the natural leader without him...not to mention the opportunitiy if afforded Austin to prove YOU and others wrong and to help this team go further than they had in 13 years because of his season saving games and plays.
Yeah I wanted TO on the team last season because we were paying for him whether he was on the roster or not and we didn't go out and replace him. Jerry gambled that Austin or RW would step up and Austin did. A double threat at WR would have made the Cowboys even more explosive and TO certainly would have helped us score more TD's last season. It's clear Jerry wants a double threat at wideout that's why he went after Dez. Even though Romo passed for a career best in yardage last season he tossed 10 TD's fewer than he did in 07 with TO on the team. He tossed 26 TD's in 13 games in 08 with TO here. If TO isn't on the receiving end of a TD he opens up a scoring opportunity for another player. With the addition of Dez along side Austin Romo has a very good chance to approach and possibly eclipse the 36 TD total he had in 07 because of the double threat at WR and the depth we have behind them.
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Dude, just change your screen name and come back as a new person with some new ideas and arguments. You're picking right back up where you left off last year and you're in store for another disaster this season with your positions and arguments. Maybe this shit works at Cowboyzone or whereever else you hang out, but nobody is buying here, brother...
This is coming from a delusional idiot who's run from the board crying because his feelings got hurt and went so far as to deactivate his account for several months until all his wounds healed. The only one who's off to a disastrous season is you and you once again got the ball rolling in the wrong direction several weeks ago predicting Vince Young would get a 2-4 game suspension for the altercation he was involved in. LOL Now you're on a hate crusade against RW claiming he's worthless and should be cut. Face it this is going to be another season for you full of WAFFLING, BULLSHITTING, KNEE JERKING and BLOWN CALLS...LMFAO! As for Cowboyzone they have hundreds of posters including some who are very knowledgeable about the game. You wouldn't dare share your lack of insight on a board that populated you're far too sensitive to handle the amount of ridicule you would receive there. LOL
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I read a couple of reports during the mini camps that Tree wasn't looking very good. Nick Eatman during the lunch break several weeks ago claimed the coaching staff wasn't real pleased with what they saw from Ogeltree. I have news for you he still has a ways to go before he's ready to be one of our top 4 WR's. He has alot of upside but he's only going into his second season and still has to prove himself before he can be depended on. This is an important season for the Cowboys with this being the franchises 50th anniversary, Emmitt being inducted into the HOF and the SB being played at Cowboys stadium with the team having a legit chance to be there.
As for that dumbass trade you suggested I didn't manipulate anything I posted what you said. LOL You wanted to trade Crayton and Spears for a 4th rd pick which is ridiculous! Give away two proven players that are currently contributing to SB contender for a roll of the dice in the 4th rd...BRILLIANT! 
I'm not saying RW is a solid talent but he is important to our depth at WR and he's important to the development of Dez because his experience as a starter is going to allow the Cowboys to ease in Dez instead of having to throw him into a starting role before he's ready. One of your biggest problems is you don't think logically because you're a knee jerker who lives in the moment. The more you bash RW the more likely he's going to prove you wrong again. You go from one extreme to another with players which causes you to look like a fool flip flopping back and forth continually changing your position on them as you live in the moment. RW won't have impressive numbers again this season but he will make some key plays over the course of the season. He'll make enough plays to prove you wrong once again.
